Do you guys actually think is better to pay for women than to seduce them?

[bijimi]

Well Bijimi,

There are exceptions to every rule ... So I would have to say in your case it sounds like you have made the right choice. If dealing with people in general is a problem for you, then I can only say do what make you feel good, lifes to short to sweat the small stuff ... you should try the Philippines, if you like thais ... the PI is even easier ... Hey all the best Bimii .. Do your thing Dude.

Road dog

yeh man it sure makes life easier...not time to waste on making it more complicated...I aint bad looking and could get decent 'tnag at home and 'white' 'tang which would be even better...but really its too much stress

It depresses me to know what I could get but cant, not due to looks but other issues....

I see much uglier out of shape guys with very decent chicks here when I walk about at home and to think I cant even get in there due to other issues is saddening

Ah well the phillipines eh? Thai/filipino same shit right?

[LoneWolf11]

what I am saying is a few things

1) I am not one for conversing or talking in general..even with males or friends...I don't even speak to my family...I find talking a real drag usually...

2) I often act immature when I do talk or find it hard to construct sentences with more than a few words or mumble or get confused with what I am talking about or repeat the same sayings or use the wrong words etc.. (slight schizo???)

3) i usually only talk when I'm high (depending on what type of high and level of highness)

4) When I'm high and I decide to talk or act I usually talk or act immature or weird if in a good mood or just go stomping about if in a bad mood..sometimes when I'm high I just don't stop talking but it's shit or immature or incomprehensible and I get really excited like a schoolboy on speed (which is a drug I actually done a lot of as a schoolboy funnily enough amongst many other things which I partly blame for my current state)

5) When I'm sober around girls I usually just stare and get hardons

6) I can type on internet forums quite lesiurlleyy/easily though ironically

7) I don't find much point in talking to girls (or talking in general) except for being flirty or immature or pervy for fun around them..due to my boyish cheeky looks I often get away with it

8) I suffer form to many anxiety and panic attacks that I haven't really left my bedroom much in the last..mmm...15 years lol....

9) I usually talk and fight and curse with my mother..she's a nutjob half the time


I really detest talking verbally, especially loudly a lot for example once at the gym and dropped the bar on my chest during bench press and couldnt be bothered to shout over other guys to help me out..so instead doen some crazy dangerous maneuver to slide the bar over my body to get it off, when I guess a 'normal' guy would just call for help....


I'm good at cracking one line jokes or random shit, though I got more laughs up to the age of 15 now I get ignored...



Overall thought I must admit I do like some Thia girls in respect to fact they are almost as pervy, dumb, immature and silly as me in many repsects...I feel quite comfortable with them...so thats a good thing

have you ever heard of Asperger Syndrome, i suffer it but only mild. it like a sort of autism that is hardly noticable. some of the trait you mention i go through it too, so you might go through that, no worries. it does not stop me from attempting to get girls. Roaddog187, some people just have trouble picking up women and get frustrating and tiring. either or paying for it or hookin it in mine does affect my pride or ego. if i wanna fuck i tried to get a girl and if all else fails for the night pay for it. i not going home empty handed. and do the same the next. but there no P4P in america (well there is, rarely, if you consider crack whore, but can't risk getting caught)

[bijimi]

have you ever heard of Asperger Syndrome, i suffer it but only mild. it like a sort of autism that is hardly noticable. some of the trait you mention i go through it too, so you might go through that, no worries. it does not stop me from attempting to get girls. Roaddog187, some people just have trouble picking up women and get frustrating and tiring. either or paying for it or hookin it in mine does affect my pride or ego. if i wanna fuck i tried to get a girl and if all else fails for the night pay for it. i not going home empty handed. and do the same the next. but there no P4P in america (well there is, rarely, if you consider crack whore, but can't risk getting caught)

yeh its quite possibel I am on some end of the spectrum i have thought for a hwile..I got the highest maths results in my whole university as well as 95% plus for maths and physics at school despite my lack of attentdence...though I cant even string a proper sentence together in reality ironically...plus I alwasy addicted to video games and OCD etc...

I am not actually too bad with girls really..I always got a lot of attention of girls my whole life since a kid and at school..its just since leaving school anxiety and panic issues and I think agraphopbia??? means I dont like to go in crowds or public places etc...so I dotn make/get much opportunities...Im not all that bad...I mean im shit at talking in 'real' life 'conversations' 'work' etc..with men or woamn or even friedns bore me after 5mins talking...its of no interest and frustrating but to crack some witty or rude joke or pervy chat up line is no problem..so depending on the girl and situation that can work....or not in soem cases as has regrettably happened haha ) I think I spook some woman at work ah well its funny for me..I just alwasy wanna grab and stare at big titties though)

But I aint really ever in situations lol....so I crack pervy jokes with the hookers at the sauna before I choose to fuk one and they look at me all weird

[LoneWolf11]

just about every major city has massage parlors you can go to ... Yeah I have to admit, parts of the the U.S. are not P4P friendly .... especially in the smaller middle american cities. But the major cities are abundant with P4P places ...

the problems is i am too afraid to take a risks for the fact of a possible raid. i live in nyc, and there is action (Hunts Point, Massage parlors, expensives ass escort, Newark, New Jersey, etc.) but if i get caught my career is fucked.

bijimi, it no surprise that you achieve in certain academic standard, i am the same with a university degree and all that stuff. i just similiar like you.

[LoneWolf11]

i know, i just can't afford to take the risk. it better to be safe then sorry especilly with the job i have. and raids do happen, as well as stake out you just don't hear them in the news very often. maybe you will find it in a short newspaper article. Roaddog187, do you live in new york.

[Horatio Kane]

Remember this.. You're not paying to fvck them, you're paying them to fvck off once you've blown your man fat.

I rest my case.

[Horatio Kane]

what I am saying is a few things

1) I am not one for conversing or talking in general..even with males or friends...I don't even speak to my family...I find talking a real drag usually...

2) I often act immature when I do talk or find it hard to construct sentences with more than a few words or mumble or get confused with what I am talking about or repeat the same sayings or use the wrong words etc.. (slight schizo???)

3) i usually only talk when I'm high (depending on what type of high and level of highness)

4) When I'm high and I decide to talk or act I usually talk or act immature or weird if in a good mood or just go stomping about if in a bad mood..sometimes when I'm high I just don't stop talking but it's shit or immature or incomprehensible and I get really excited like a schoolboy on speed (which is a drug I actually done a lot of as a schoolboy funnily enough amongst many other things which I partly blame for my current state)

5) When I'm sober around girls I usually just stare and get hardons

6) I can type on internet forums quite lesiurlleyy/easily though ironically

7) I don't find much point in talking to girls (or talking in general) except for being flirty or immature or pervy for fun around them..due to my boyish cheeky looks I often get away with it

8) I suffer form to many anxiety and panic attacks that I haven't really left my bedroom much in the last..mmm...15 years lol....

9) I usually talk and fight and curse with my mother..she's a nutjob half the time


I really detest talking verbally, especially loudly a lot for example once at the gym and dropped the bar on my chest during bench press and couldnt be bothered to shout over other guys to help me out..so instead doen some crazy dangerous maneuver to slide the bar over my body to get it off, when I guess a 'normal' guy would just call for help....


I'm good at cracking one line jokes or random shit, though I got more laughs up to the age of 15 now I get ignored...



Overall thought I must admit I do like some Thia girls in respect to fact they are almost as pervy, dumb, immature and silly as me in many repsects...I feel quite comfortable with them...so thats a good thing

You're homosexual mate...

[zaccy]

Almost a year ago since the last, but here's my input.
Not every guy has the 'gift of gab', good looks, patience, social skills and other necessities to have decent relations with women. For me, i have been in many situations where I said the wrong and screwed it all up. There were even times when I was alone with a hot chick and both of us were horney as hell. Guess what... NOTHING HAPPENED! No sex! I just couldn't make the connection. This has happened to me more than once. I will say that I have had women come onto me, only thing they were fat, ugly or simply not my type. The other rare time I did have a chance with someone I liked I would have to cut thru a ton of red tape to get thru to her. I realized 15 years ago p4p was my only was to true immediate sexually relief. No stress, No strings, no meeting her approval, no BS. Ok...everyone here knows that like anything else, nothing is 100% perfect. I, like anyone else have had my share of bad sessions, rip offs, unsatisfactory attitudes, etc... but I got to get pussy, which I certainly can't say for my other normal encounters. P4P works for me and I have no regrets. I believe, If a guys has the youth, looks, game, patience or status... more power to him in getting 'free' pussy. Many off us are not as fortunate to be as 'gifted' . Remember, what works for one person won't necessarily work for another.

[alphamale7]

You're homosexual mate...

hahaha... that was good...

[zaccy]

I was never good at seducing women. I don't have the game nor the shape now... plus even when a girl does find me interesting, I freak out, get nervous and say the wrong thing or do something stupid and mess it up. Then there are girls that want me that I don't want (e.g. fat and/or ugly and/or too old). Also to add I was either too nice or to hasty or to slow with girls to win them over. I usually fail miserably.
Since I started to p4p when I was around 24, a burden has been released. It just works! I get what I want, she get what she wants... end of story. Everything isn't for everyone. Some men have problems communicating with women on a certain level. Some men simply don't have time to develop a relationship to a sexual level for reasons of work, travel etc. Some men just don't have the skills, looks, status nor charm to win the ladies over, so p4p is a savior for many, like me. It all depends on the individual what works for him... so there really is no 'better' between paying and seducing IMHO.

[cuntconnoisseur]

I like doing both.

On the one hand, paying for sex is (usually) so much easier. Even though it seems like the best places to pay for sex are also often the easiest places to get laid by regular girls... still... typically... just paying for it requires less effort and sometimes I just feel lazy and/or don't want to take the time. Paying for it means that I can pick out the girl I want rather than settling for whomever seems interested in me at the club or wherever. Also, every once in a while I might feel a twinge of guilt about the hundred or so girls that I've seduced and the trail of human wreckage I've left in my wake. There are very rarely any guilt issues with taking home a prostitute and then never talking to her again after that.

On the other hand, regular girls can be a lot more fun.. sometimes... I mean, if they genuinely like being with you, or even if they are after your money but are non-professional so are not quite so cynical or mercenary, it's typically easier to persuade them to spend an entire weekend or week or month you, fucking as often as you please, having fun together when you're not. Usually you feel like these regular girls are a bit cleaner and I worry less about barebacking with them which I enjoy. And there are certain countries where picking up non-pros is stupidly easy... and it's a confidence booster when I can so easily... Sometimes you can get regular girls to do things that prostitutes usually won't... like take video... or allow multiple pops... or BBBJ...

Of course, working girls are often up for things that regular girls aren't... anal sex... group sex... and if they're not up for it with enough money you could probably change their mind.

And frequently I've had experiences which are hard to classify as one or the other. I mean... I've paid to take a girl home from a bar before many times... and then ended up having them stay the entire night... or come back the next night and fuck me for free... or see me a year later just for fun. A lot of times, especially in these countries where paid-for-sex is common and picking up girls is easy, the line is very blurred. On the other side of the blur I've often picked up "regular girls" who seem to expect some sort of compensation. You know what Chef says.... a prostitute is like any other woman. They all trade something for sex.

Generally I DO like to be with a girl who GENUINELY enjoys fucking and getting fucked by me. That makes the experience so much better. But I've had that many times with both regular girls and working girls... and I'm sure probably some of each were faking but if they're good enough actresses who cares...

At the end of the day I would not choose to give up either one. Both have their ups and downs. If I lived some place like Thailand or The Philippines I imagine that I would probably have 2-4 regular girlfriends at a time, plus fuck 1-4 other regular girls every week just on the side, and on top of that probably pay for it another 2-3 times per month just because it's cheap and I could.

Living in Saudi Arabia I have to settle for having one girl I fuck regularly, and maybe 2-4 that I might be lucky enough to be in bed with on a yearly basis... and then the 3-6/month that I pay to fuck when I go over to Bahrain or Dubai.

In the USA I pay for it maybe once every 3-4 months because the mongering scene here is so abysmal, I have 0 girlfriends because it's next to impossible to find one and usually not worth keeping any of them, and currently 1 ex who calls me up for booty calls once in a while. Pitiful that my sex life is better in Saudi than it is in the USA but true.

Anyway in each of these cases I would definitely want to have both options open to me. It's not that one is necessarily better than the other, just that both have their pros and cons. I wouldn't give up masturbating, either. Not completely, anyway.

[cuntconnoisseur]

There is no free lunch. Well there is no free pussy either.

I know this actually goes against what I just typed myself a second ago... but I'm sorry I have a deep-seated need to refute any absolute statement.

I've had lots of free pussy. Mostly in Asia... but also many other places. If it costs me less than $10 in taxi fare, bar fines, tips, coffee, food, gifts or hotel bills... then I consider that basically free. And I've had that many, many, many, many times. Further, there have been at least a few times where I met a girl online, met her in person, fucked her, and never paid her a dime. Now... you could say that there is some inherent cost to this as I had to pay for my computer and internet access... and spend the time (often no more than a few hours, sometimes as little as 15 or 30 minutes) to get to know the girl and convince them to meet up... but close enough. There are also girls that I've met in clubs or just on the street who fucked me and I never gave them anything.

One of my favorite stories from Thailand... this is all completely true... shortened a bit for the sake of brevity...

I walked into a club in Phuket. Walked around, got a Smirnoff. Got a spot at the bar near the two cutest girls there and made eyes at them. The cute 18 year old with the great smile and nice body signaled at me to come over. We introduced ourselves but barely spoke. A few minutes later, girls were ready to leave. I asked the cute 18 year old to stay. She said okay. Few minutes later she asks if I want to go back to my hotel room. I say okay. We go back... fuck all night long... film the whole thing on my digital camera including her swallowing my cum. Next day she cleans up and goes home. That's free pussy in my book...

God bless Thailand.

[edit] Just wanted to add in a second story about "free" pussy. I've got plenty. Before my last trip to the Philippines I was meeting and talking to girls on DIA. One that I found in Cebu seemed very interested in me- so much so that at first I thought she was a fake. Kind of a Lily Thai lookalike. Eventually I found out that she had had a sugar daddy but was looking to replace him because after years he still wasn't interested in leaving his wife for her... but the conversation didn't start out that way. She just wanted to know if I was interested in marrying her. I only told her maybe and that was enough to get her to start promising to do anything and everything I wanted.

Just as an experiment I started asking what things she would actually do, to see if I could find something she would say no to. Would she treat me like her bf or husband as soon as I got there? Sure. Would she fuck me the first day I got there? Yep. Would she let me fuck her asshole? No problem. Would she fuck me bareback and let me come inside her? Sure, why not? Would she let me film the every session from start to finish? Of course. Would she bring over one of her friends for a 3-way? ... this was when she finally hesitated. But only for a second. Then she agreed that she would if I could wait at least until the 2nd night before we did that.
I got there, met up with her. We did all of the above except for the 3-way. I felt like I was with a porn star the whole time she was a real freak in bed. I told her the 3-way wasn't that important, but she took me to one of the local go-go bars (where her cousin and some friends all worked) to pick out a girl. I could tell she wasn't happy about it though she was trying to act fine, so I told her I just wanted to leave. But she insisted that I take home her best friend from the place so I did. I fucked her, too.
After 3 days we parted ways. I didn't give her anything, unless you count paying for the hotel and a few meals. (I did buy most of her family lunch at Jollybee once) When I was already in the taxi she texted me saying something to the effect of usually guys offer to pay her rent or something. Honestly for the service I got that probably would have been worth it and I could see other guys offering the same... but that wasn't part of our deal. I never paid her a dime.

God bless the Philippines...

[escierto]

I know this actually goes against what I just typed myself a second ago... but I'm sorry I have a deep-seated need to refute any absolute statement.

I've had lots of free pussy. Mostly in Asia... but also many other places. If it costs me less than $10 in taxi fare, bar fines, tips, coffee, food, gifts or hotel bills... then I consider that basically free. And I've had that many, many, many, many times. Further, there have been at least a few times where I met a girl online, met her in person, fucked her, and never paid her a dime. Now... you could say that there is some inherent cost to this as I had to pay for my computer and internet access... and spend the time (often no more than a few hours, sometimes as little as 15 or 30 minutes) to get to know the girl and convince them to meet up... but close enough. There are also girls that I've met in clubs or just on the street who fucked me and I never gave them anything.

One of my favorite stories from Thailand... this is all completely true... shortened a bit for the sake of brevity...

I walked into a club in Phuket. Walked around, got a Smirnoff. Got a spot at the bar near the two cutest girls there and made eyes at them. The cute 18 year old with the great smile and nice body signaled at me to come over. We introduced ourselves but barely spoke. A few minutes later, girls were ready to leave. I asked the cute 18 year old to stay. She said okay. Few minutes later she asks if I want to go back to my hotel room. I say okay. We go back... fuck all night long... film the whole thing on my digital camera including her swallowing my cum. Next day she cleans up and goes home. That's free pussy in my book...

God bless Thailand.

[edit] Just wanted to add in a second story about "free" pussy. I've got plenty. Before my last trip to the Philippines I was meeting and talking to girls on DIA. One that I found in Cebu seemed very interested in me- so much so that at first I thought she was a fake. Kind of a Lily Thai lookalike. Eventually I found out that she had had a sugar daddy but was looking to replace him because after years he still wasn't interested in leaving his wife for her... but the conversation didn't start out that way. She just wanted to know if I was interested in marrying her. I only told her maybe and that was enough to get her to start promising to do anything and everything I wanted.

Just as an experiment I started asking what things she would actually do, to see if I could find something she would say no to. Would she treat me like her bf or husband as soon as I got there? Sure. Would she fuck me the first day I got there? Yep. Would she let me fuck her asshole? No problem. Would she fuck me bareback and let me come inside her? Sure, why not? Would she let me film the every session from start to finish? Of course. Would she bring over one of her friends for a 3-way? ... this was when she finally hesitated. But only for a second. Then she agreed that she would if I could wait at least until the 2nd night before we did that.
I got there, met up with her. We did all of the above except for the 3-way. I felt like I was with a porn star the whole time she was a real freak in bed. I told her the 3-way wasn't that important, but she took me to one of the local go-go bars (where her cousin and some friends all worked) to pick out a girl. I could tell she wasn't happy about it though she was trying to act fine, so I told her I just wanted to leave. But she insisted that I take home her best friend from the place so I did. I fucked her, too.
After 3 days we parted ways. I didn't give her anything, unless you count paying for the hotel and a few meals. (I did buy most of her family lunch at Jollybee once) When I was already in the taxi she texted me saying something to the effect of usually guys offer to pay her rent or something. Honestly for the service I got that probably would have been worth it and I could see other guys offering the same... but that wasn't part of our deal. I never paid her a dime.

God bless the Philippines...

The whole time you're claiming you had "free" pussy you're describing how much time you spent with them and admitting that you spent money on food, taxi etc. Here is my definition of absolutely free pussy. You see a girl in the street, you pull her aside into some bushes, you fuck her and you leave without ever seeing her again. That would be free pussy because it would require no outlay, monetary or psychological, in order to get it. Some chicks, sure you may not be spending a lot of money on them but if you have to listen to their BS sob stories, again that's not free pussy.

[cuntconnoisseur]

The whole time you're claiming you had "free" pussy you're describing how much time you spent with them and admitting that you spent money on food, taxi etc. Here is my definition of absolutely free pussy. You see a girl in the street, you pull her aside into some bushes, you fuck her and you leave without ever seeing her again. That would be free pussy because it would require no outlay, monetary or psychological, in order to get it. Some chicks, sure you may not be spending a lot of money on them but if you have to listen to their BS sob stories, again that's not free pussy.

wtf are you talking about?
For the girl in Thailand... total money I spent on food: ZERO. on taxi: ZERO. Did you even read what I posted? I did not listen to any BS sob stories. She just fucked my brains out and then I could have never seen her again if I had wanted to. I actually went to the restaurant where she worked after that to see her, but that was my own choice. and it wasn't unpleasant. I didn't pay anything. She bought her own drink. We walked to the hotel together. I would have paid for the hotel anyway, whether she was there or not. I needed a place to sleep. I paid EXACTLY ZERO for that pussy. If you read the story, you would see that we barely even spoke while at the bar. I didn't have to pretend I was interested in any of her stories, I think we said two or three things to each other the whole time. Most of the time I was there I was talking to some other tourist about his shirt. The bar I met her at didn't even have a cover charge... and there was a free food buffet. I might have even netted some money on this transaction. The food I ate was probably worth more than the Smirnoff I bought (for myself! not for her)

The girl from the Philippines... I paid approximately $30 or so for 3 days of wall-to-wall porn-star style fucking. Psychological bullshit = ONE text message after she left saying that she thought I was going to pay her rent, which I ignored. This is so close to zero that practically, it is zero. The thirty bucks I spent was on meals and such. I was having fun. On the Thai girl, you've got NO point at all. On the Filipina, you're REALLLLY nitpicking... further... when she came to my hotel, she paid her cabfare there. She came to my room. I opened the door, and we were fucking for the next 4 hours. I COULD have kicked her out right then, if I was really such a dickwad that I couldn't stand the thought of spending even one minute or one penny on a girl I had just been intimate with. I COULD have had all that for absolutely ZERO, just like I did with the girl in Thailand. I chose not to. I actually enjoyed being with her. But the option was there.

I didn't mention this in my previous post... but currently I'm dating a princess in Saudi Arabia that pays me $300/week for English tutoring lessons. She also brings me food and gifts. She's super cool, never cries or gets bitchy or is jealous or controlling... this isn't just free pussy... it's free pussy with value-added extras.

I'm really sorry if this ruins your theories that no pussy is free, but it's all absolutely true.