One giant rip-off

[Mr Shagmeister]

I've written about this subject before but I think it will save some people a lot of time and money if I underline it again here.

The most likely place to find an above average looking bargirl in Pattaya is in the Go-go bars in Walking Street. Until the last 2 or 3 years these girls could be barfined and fucked either ST or LT by almost any monger who agreed to pay the fee of approx 1000 to 2000 baht.

This has now changed.

In many of the busiest GGB's the top girls either do not barfine under normal circumstances, or are very choosy who they let barfine them, or barfine but only for non-sexual purposes.

The bars with the worst reputation for having sexy girls who won't barfine and fuck are Club Boesche, Livin Doll Showcase, Peppermint, and the absolute worst of the worst, a bar full of nasty, self important drama queens who take money but don't fuck, is Coyote a-go-go in Marine plaza.

Sad to say most other GGB's, even those not in WS, have their fare share of dancing hookers who will suck your money and not your cock.

Why has this change come about ? Because these girls earn enough from idiot customers throwing cash or ping pong balls (=cash) at them, in addition to their wages which have doubled in the last couple of years.

An ex-girlfriend of mine once told me that in the month before I met her she had been barfined 25 times by 25 different men but had only fucked 4 times. When I asked her how this was possible she said that most men are so gullible and/or are so reluctant to have a problem that it is easy to get paid for doing nothing.

At least if I go to a lap dancing club in farangland I will probably get to see some seriously sexy women, who keep themselves looking good and know how to dance. The girls in Thailand don't compare well in most cases, that's why their niche in the market was to sell their pussy at a cheap price.

If they are not selling their pussy what is the point of travelling half way around the world ? So we can put up with their obnoxious, arrogant behaviour ?

Yes there are still many, many average looking or older bar girls who are still happy to barfine and provide a service with some GFE thrown in, but any guy coming to Pattaya and looking in the GGB's for a hot babe should be warned that he is going to have get used to going on a lot of expensive wild goose chases.

[Unplaced]

Damn those ping pong balls!!

They're gonna spell the end of prostitution worldwide!

[Jimmy Red Cab]

I noticed a couple of really hot looking girls in Living Dolls Showcase, they were always there early but never seemed to be there after midnight, I assumed they had been barfined.

Maybe the guys paid big bucks or maybe they just wanted the girls for company.

There are some pretty girls in Simons complex, especially if you are under 30, I have seen how they react when a 25 year old sits at the bar.

[Mr Shagmeister]

I noticed a couple of really hot looking girls in Living Dolls Showcase, they were always there early but never seemed to be there after midnight, I assumed they had been barfined.

Maybe the guys paid big bucks or maybe they just wanted the girls for company.

There are some pretty girls in Simons complex, especially if you are under 30, I have seen how they react when a 25 year old sits at the bar.

You are simply confirming what I'm saying. You saw some 'hot looking girls' but didn't bother to try and make contact with them because you knew you had no chance of barfining and fucking them.

If you like getting your nose rubbed in the shit why not stay in your cab in London, and don't give me your stock answer that in umpteen visits to LOS you have only been knocked back a handful of times. That is either untrue or you never try to approach women you consider are out of your league.

[ordinary guy]

I'm going for my first trip to the promised land in October, with a bunch of guys for one of there 40th's

But reading posts like these, just want to make me go running back to Kenya, there you get fantastic attitude, & looks, and all for £8 / $15 per night, with loads of different girls to choose from and most are under 25.

also lots of chances to meet " Ordinary " girls in disco's or hotel cleaners ect, who are very happy to spend time and the night with you either for free, or very little money

It seems to me that Thailand is almost ruined , and we need to find somewhere else to take it's crown .

[2muchthai]

I'm going for my first trip to the promised land in October, with a bunch of guys for one of there 40th's

But reading posts like these, just want to make me go running back to Kenya, there you get fantastic attitude, & looks, and all for £8 / $15 per night, with loads of different girls to choose from and most are under 25.

also lots of chances to meet " Ordinary " girls in disco's or hotel cleaners ect, who are very happy to spend time and the night with you either for free, or very little money

It seems to me that Thailand is almost ruined , and we need to find somewhere else to take it's crown .

No,Thailand is not ruined especially for your first trip.
While I believe what Mr.Shagmeister has said is true,the best way for a newcomer to read into this is that you are less likely to have a good overall sexual experience with high priced girls from upper end places than you are a young new arrival to the scene form a more casual,low pressure atmosphere type place.

And less likely to leave the kingdom with a bad impression of the working girls,too!

[Steve German]

Gentlemen; i can´t write it enough; Our hobby is destroyed in Pattaya; the
real good looking girls there have so many boyfriends; from Europe, USA aso.
And if such a stunner has round 5 of them; all of them are sending money;
so they don´t have to go with us for a few bath.
Forget Pattaya as a sex destination; enjoy the cheap town for vaccation;
take some for only short time (price is acceptable) and that´s all.
If you wanna bang long time; only Africa. Forget Thailand in that way

[djinn69]

Long time I didn't post a reply.
Still in Pattaya (6 years here now)
Don't monger too mutt.Have same GF since 2.5 years.
But I like beautiful hotties.
Always looking for a partner for swinging parties (GF only OK for 4some )
5 years ago I went to bars in soi7/8 .Now dead place (for what I search)
The 2 last years I switched to gogos in WS.But a lot of fat cows there now or same same shag;will not be BF
Sooo I decided to try ...BKK.
Found 2 hotties last year in a bar in Patpong2
First 4some was perfect...After hum ;forget them
Now my hunting domain is Soi Cowboy.Have one or 2 friends who tested a lot of girls there and their advices are good
Last week went to Suzie Wong..Hot looking recommended girl LT 1500 plus BF (800 grrrrr)
As expected she was hot in bedroom too.
Will not stay long on the market (just finished with her US BF)
More and more difficult for tourists to find a "good girl"

[Mr Shagmeister]

.......
5 years ago I went to bars in soi7/8 .Now dead place (for what I search)
The 2 last years I switched to gogos in WS.But a lot of fat cows there now or same same shag;will not be BF
.......More and more difficult for tourists to find a "good girl"

I've been in Pattaya for 15 years and djinn has been here 6 years, and we are both singing from the same hymn sheet.

If you visit Pattaya and you are looking for the best girls in the busiest go-go bars then most of the time you will be wasting your time and money. If by some miracle you do manage to get one of these girls out of the bar and back to your hotel room the sex will probably be crap.

There are still a few good bar girls around town, just don't expect them to be so easy to find. If you like ladyboys (I don't) then the news is much better, as in parts of BKK they are slowly taking over the place.

[Jimmy Red Cab]

If you like getting your nose rubbed in the shit why not stay in your cab in London, and don't give me your stock answer that in umpteen visits to LOS you have only been knocked back a handful of times. That is either untrue or you never try to approach women you consider are out of your league.

I don't tell lies, I don't bother to waste my time with obvious "Divas", that is why I have only been "knocked back" six times in 7 years.

[Jimmy Red Cab]

I've been in Pattaya for 15 years

I think the gents on here should bear that in mind when they see photos of your current young lady, if they think she is a typical Pattaya girl they will be in for a nasty shock when they arrive.

[zakalwe55]

It's the reason why I prefer massage parlor girls to go-go girls. GG girls can get paid to shuffle on stage, get barfined and dodge the customer. MP girls have to fuck to get paid. Even the girls in the fish bowls and not the "model" type girls have to fuck to get paid. I had thought they there were on a salary like go-go girls but a papasan said to me "no work, no pay".

Short time fees + barfines in Bangkok used to be cheaper than the cost for a MP. Not anymore. For 2,600 baht (600 bar fine + 2000 baht-top girls at Nana+Soi Cowboy) you can get a cute MP girl.

At MPs, you can get the advice of a papasan. I used to think papasans were useless...and most are. Many papasans will expect a tip even before you head to the room. A good papasan will get tips after the customers leaves the room because he made a good recommendation. A good one will keep track of customers experiences--good and bad. He'll point out girls that provide good service and say nothing about girls that provide bad service. So if you ask about a girl and he says "yes" or "no" and offers no other comment then you know that girl will provide a lousy experience. If you are a repeat client and tip the papasan for his good advice, then he'll say something to girls before you head up to the room to the effect of "this is a good client, you better be awesome or I won't recommend you again to anyone, especially our best clients" (at least I think so, I don't speak Thai but the effect is the same ).

[nightowl2548]

Never had any problem getting laid in Pattaya, but then again I don't barfine from Walking Street go-go's....a real tourist trap. The beer bars around Big C or soi 7 & 8 are full of chicks who will gladly spend the night with you for 1000 baht.

[Steve German]

Spend the whole night; right. BUT after the firs shoot, she gets very very tired.
My expirience; they try to get 1000 Bath for a short time

[Irish Rover]

Spend the whole night; right. BUT after the firs shoot, she gets very very tired.
My expirience; they try to get 1000 Bath for a short time

I have difficulty understanding how you guys are getting ripped off. I've never been ripped off by a bar girl or a gogo girl. Sure I've had problems in the past and had to throw girls out of the room sometimes by force but i've never been ripped off.

The good thing about thailand is you pay after the service. I always agree a price based on good service. It's very easy to introduce the idea of good service into the conersation. Explain you have big power and like 3 pops and once I've agreed a price no issues. If she doesn't fulfill her side of the transaction then you don't have to fulfill yours and pay accordingly. Sometimes this can get a little messy but by and large it works a treat.

I've had the I'm tired excuse after one pop or you're to big it hurts, in which case I say no problem give the 500bt for the one pop and resume the hunt. As long as you pay the girl some money there is no comeback. She may not be happy but then neither are you.

As for gogo girls that don't fuck well then the only thing you lose is your time and the bar fine. I would suggest that you explain the issue in the nicest possible way to the bar management and if no bar fine is returned then avoid the place in future and tell everyone you know about the experience. The best thing we can do is vote with our feet so that these places and girls make less money.