Why I never discuss price beforehand (Manila story - slightly OT)

[rits01]

The story took place in manila around a week ago, but since it has to do with a discussion that took place on the Pattaya board, and since the story could take in any SEA girlie bar, I saw fit to place the installment here:

Last week I had to spend a few days in Manila, in order to take care of some non-carnal matters. Once I was done, I had a few free days, which I've been planing to spend in Puerto Gallera. Now, I could either go on my own and prey on the local talent of Sabang beach, or take a Manila girl with me: I've decided to BF a girl from Edsa, and if I like her, I would offer her to come with me; If not - there must be something I can find in Sabang.

By 09:00 or so, made my way to the Edsa complex, aka firehouse complex - to those who have never been in Manila, that's a local, smaller version of Nana plaza. Entered the bar I've visited last year, determined to be as quick as possible. Obeying the unwritten (silly) code of engagement, turned down the (immediate) approach of 2-3 nice girls, and had mama call down from the stage a dancer who looked cute. When she came down to sit with me, I've bought her a drink (not to offend her) and sent her away immediately. My eyesight sans glasses, is definitely not what it used to be.

Bought a drink for 2 other cute girls. They were giggling 19's, and with their English skills could easily pass for Thais. What's worse, they appeared to be silly, childish , nonsexual 19's. Sent them away.

Bought a drink for a 5 feet 7 + high heels which made her look almost a "natural" match for myself. She had a body I've never seen other than in beauty pageants, and a face I did see other than in beauty pagents... but not very often. She was 21, with reasonable english... and she answered my "would you like to come with me?" with the kind of an "up to you" that made it obvious she would rather not. Maybe she was expecting a regular; maybe I just wasn't her type: She surely can afford being choosy. fair enough.

As I was on my way out, I noticed another girl who was somewhat older (maybe late 20's) with a very nice face and a body that was fuckable, but not more. However, she had a very pleasant and intelligent expression. She could also speak great English, and appeared to have at least a year or 2 of college education. OK, is she my partner for Puerto Gallera? Our conversation was very pleasant, laid back. The music was very loud, and what I've heard her saying sounded like this: " I'd love to come with you. the BF for me is 1400, and my payment is one thousand for all night".

Now, for me the very mentioning of ANY price beforehand, is a deal breaker. I simply don't discuss money beforehand, period. In all my years of mongering, I have always paid the going rate in the morning, and never had a problem. If a girl starts talking about money - any money - I just move on. However, since she was so nice, and since her price was so reasonable, I took her offer.

Went to the room and had a nice conversation - a conversation of the kind I could have with an office girl anywhere in the west. Now, much to my surprise, as time passed, and she was realizing I'm a very old hand and know my way in the PI, she was getting more and more tense. Lacking any other explanation I've attributed her anxiety to the fact she usually "dates" Japanese, not cano's (falangs) like myself. Anyway, drank a few beers, she relaxed a bit, and we got down to business. Since the round was very good, I've decided to pop up the question and invited her to Puerto Gallera with me. She apologized and said she can't come because she had a regular Japanese coming in 2 days, to spend 2 days with her. Since at that point I was "in love" (yeah, I know), I tried to talk her into taking my offer over his: "You will have great memories from your time in Puerto with me -and what can your old Japanese guy give you? OK, he may give you more than your normal fees (note - that's how it is with Japanese - regulars pay more) but still - how much money are we talking about? 7k for his 2 days? My offer is better, even though I pay you only 1k a day"

That's where things took an ugly turn: "what 1 k? we have agreed on 5k!"

"you are joking. you said 1 k, and I agreed"

"no no no. I said 5 k"

"Don't be ridicules. nobody pays 5 k - well, certainly not anybody like me. maybe old Japanese guys or clueless cherryboys on their first night in the PI... but certainly not me. you know it"

"Yes, that what I was worried about before, when I saw you know so much about the PI... still, I said 5k and you agreed."

"No, I heard you saying 1k. if you said 5 k, I wouldn't even negotiate. I wouldn't even answer you. I wouldn't even look at you and you know it very well - no chance on earth a hand like me would. Anyway, I'm not enjoying now and my holiday time is of importance. Lets end it here and now. I declare it a short time. dress up please, Thanks and bye bye"

"OK, I want 2500"

"In your dreams. I don't ST at all, but if i did, I'd never give you more than 700"

"OK, please 2000. that's a very reasonable price"

"I'm loosing my patience. don't make me call security"

"OK, 1500"

"Take the 1500 and bye bye"

"Now give me more for taxi"

"Out of my room! now! Before I take the money back and call security!"

Once she left, I took a deep breath... and I understood she probably wasn't lying. She observed my gentle manner with the other 4 girls, and really took me for a newbie. She probably really said "5 thousand" - because that's her starting offer for newbies: They bring her down to 4 or 3K, and think they are the masters of haggling. But the music was very loud, and what I've heard was "one thousand". When she saw I'm an old hand, she got nervous, as she felt trouble coming her way. Such an explanation makes sense - but I can't tell for sure: maybe she did say one K (as what I've heard) and was only trying her luck: guess I'll never know for sure.

So much for my first and only early agreement: Don't think I'll ever do it again.

[MidnightWalker]

Arent you happy you found out before you got to Puerto Gallera.?!

[HKAsiaphile]

I don't really have any rules when it comes to paying, it really depends on the situation for me. If I'm taking a girl LT from a place like a beer bar then I usually won't discuss price as it's a fairly standard LT rate for these places, however if I was barfining a gogo superstar I might bring the topic up just to get straight what is expected (yes, going rate is 3000Baht LT in Bangkok nowadays, but some of them will expect 4 or 5 and I can do without the hassle in the morning and the whole need to call security thing).

However I have taken agogo girls and not discussed price at all before and just given them what I think is reasonable in the morning. I gave a catz girl 2000LT which I think is plenty but I know some walking street gogo girls will want more, but this girl just didn't appear totally hardened like some and was enjoyable company for a few drinks rather than just straight back to the room. I've also BF other girls from gogos, asked them how much beforehand as they seemed slightly more businesslike, but then had a fantastic fuck afterwards where the girl has loosened up a lot and just got into it.

I guess thinking about it I'm more inclined to discuss it with Bangkok girls and less so with Pattaya ones, but this doesn't mean I've had better sex with the Pattaya girls as I've had some great girls in Bangkok before.

I'm talking shit here really, but I don't think a hard-and-fast rule like no discussion of money can always work in the decidedly volatile world of mongering, you have to take every situation individually and just use your judgement. It sounds like you misheard how much she wanted so I think that could explain more the problem, because if you'd known she wanted 5 you'd have avoided the problem by not going with her in the first place, if you'd never asked and then given her 2 in the morning and she wanted 5 that could have been more of a problem (although it sounds like she was a big enough problem anyway )

[SirMarjAlot]

Good story, I like these little one off tales.
It just go to show what they are really only interested in.

[2muchthai]

PATTAYA...18-24 year old pretty,childless girls all over the place that will spend the night with you for 1000 baht and the most difficult part of the negotiation is getting them to leave in the morning without seeming too harsh or hurting their feelings.

BANGKOK...18-24 massage girls that will spend the night with you after work,or in most cases that I've found,take the following day/night off from work for 1000-1200 baht. In Bangkok it may go a bit smoother if you also take them out for some drinks and a bite to eat.

But I continue to hear 3000,4000,5000 baht prices and more. And usually it's due to "where they work."

I've sat in Angelwitch,Happy A GoGo,Hotties and numerous others. Some lovely girls in all of them. But the best looking girl(face,skin,body) and the one with the sweetest disposition,was from a beer bar in Pattaya. 19 years old,paid her 1000 baht for each overnight stay and she made it easy in the a.m..."If you like me go you tell me,ok?"

I've read and gone back & forth on the issue enough to know that some guys are convinced that their girls have to come from gogo's,you won't get quality unless you pay big $$,chicks that demand high $$ and have sponsors are the best,etc. But for the guys without the blinders that may just be starting out,you have NOTHING to lose by trying it the low $$ way first. I believe that you'll not only be satisfied,but you'll help to keep an affordable system flowing that will be beneficial to future guys that want to come and enjoy and you'll also help to keep the sweet and happy attitudes of the girls intact that gets destroyed when some insecure monger wants to corral her with big $$.

[rocky1838]

PATTAYA...18-24 year old pretty,childless girls all over the place that will spend the night with you for 1000 baht and the most difficult part of the negotiation is getting them to leave in the morning without seeming too harsh or hurting their feelings.

BANGKOK...18-24 massage girls that will spend the night with you after work,or in most cases that I've found,take the following day/night off from work for 1000-1200 baht. In Bangkok it may go a bit smoother if you also take them out for some drinks and a bite to eat.

But I continue to hear 3000,4000,5000 baht prices and more. And usually it's due to "where they work."

I've sat in Angelwitch,Happy A GoGo,Hotties and numerous others. Some lovely girls in all of them. But the best looking girl(face,skin,body) and the one with the sweetest disposition,was from a beer bar in Pattaya. 19 years old,paid her 1000 baht for each overnight stay and she made it easy in the a.m..."If you like me go you tell me,ok?"

I've read and gone back & forth on the issue enough to know that some guys are convinced that their girls have to come from gogo's,you won't get quality unless you pay big $$,chicks that demand high $$ and have sponsors are the best,etc. But for the guys without the blinders that may just be starting out,you have NOTHING to lose by trying it the low $$ way first. I believe that you'll not only be satisfied,but you'll help to keep an affordable system flowing that will be beneficial to future guys that want to come and enjoy and you'll also help to keep the sweet and happy attitudes of the girls intact that gets destroyed when some insecure monger wants to corral her with big $$.

Good post. Sadly there's not many like you.

[billybob69]

BANGKOK...18-24 massage girls that will spend the night with you after work,or in most cases that I've found,take the following day/night off from work for 1000-1200 baht. In Bangkok it may go a bit smoother if you also take them out for some drinks and a bite to eat.

But I continue to hear 3000,4000,5000 baht prices and more. And usually it's due to "where they work."

I've always taken the attitude that any girl who openly discusses price (especially early on to get a quick ST in) gets dropped and I move on however once I have had enough of an evening and am ready to go back, I'll raise the subject and agree a price before leaving. I only go for long time and I get really pissed off by girls who agree LT and then get assy and fuck off half way through the night.

Also I'm one of those that more often that not overpaid simply because I felt sorry for them or my heart went soft afterwards or something else. I just like waking up the next morning with a thai girl next to me and have the morning experience too. Any girl who was happy to stay all nice and was gentle and pleasant in the morning always got maybe 1000 or 2000 extra.
If I really enjoyed the company, I'd offer more to stay with me during the day and be company while we go to a nice restaurant for lunch or something.

I'm not going to hijack another thread with the same story but (theres always a but...) I've changed my tune now and will still tip if good but will not double the agreed price. I only hope that others who thought like me read this and realise that any happyness and apprication that the girls show by getting the extra cash is not real and is not aimed at you, it is simply a self acknowledgement that they have got one over and convinced you that you are 'special to them'.

I met a girl who now demands 4000 per night probably because I told her what I used to always pay.
She doesn't even go out until about 11pm and she is ALWAYS back by 3am. Sometimes as early as 2am. I know this as she is still emailing me and that is the gap in sent times each day. She is hot as fuck and is the kind of girl that would never have a problem picking up straight away.

She only targets the top hotel bars, turns up after typically after most of the other girls are taken and latches onto a buisness looking guy. Rushes him back to his room, demands the money upfront, does the business and then goes leaving him 4000 down plus inflated taxi fare. She even told me (maybe to try and make me feel better in the 'sorry darling, I love you' emails) that she doesnt even always have full sex. If she can convince a guy he is 'too big and may hurt her' (and every guy like to hear he is big) she will offer a blow job and say he can finish off in her mouth. She then even mocks that by pulling away and just using her hands.

I know this because she has emailed me explaining why she needs the money to survive but at the same time trying to convince me she still loves me and to show she is not always 'cheating' (strange take on the term cheating!)

I've really had my eyes opened about how the thai mind works. I never bothered to look into it before as it was always find, fuck, forget however once you make the mistake of developing feelings and then get fucked over you realise that there is only one thing on their mind; how to get as much in as little time as possible!


And yes - I'm still bitter!

[HKAsiaphile]

PATTAYA...18-24 year old pretty,childless girls all over the place that will spend the night with you for 1000 baht and the most difficult part of the negotiation is getting them to leave in the morning without seeming too harsh or hurting their feelings.

BANGKOK...18-24 massage girls that will spend the night with you after work,or in most cases that I've found,take the following day/night off from work for 1000-1200 baht. In Bangkok it may go a bit smoother if you also take them out for some drinks and a bite to eat.

But I continue to hear 3000,4000,5000 baht prices and more. And usually it's due to "where they work."

I've sat in Angelwitch,Happy A GoGo,Hotties and numerous others. Some lovely girls in all of them. But the best looking girl(face,skin,body) and the one with the sweetest disposition,was from a beer bar in Pattaya. 19 years old,paid her 1000 baht for each overnight stay and she made it easy in the a.m..."If you like me go you tell me,ok?"

I've read and gone back & forth on the issue enough to know that some guys are convinced that their girls have to come from gogo's,you won't get quality unless you pay big $$,chicks that demand high $$ and have sponsors are the best,etc. But for the guys without the blinders that may just be starting out,you have NOTHING to lose by trying it the low $$ way first. I believe that you'll not only be satisfied,but you'll help to keep an affordable system flowing that will be beneficial to future guys that want to come and enjoy and you'll also help to keep the sweet and happy attitudes of the girls intact that gets destroyed when some insecure monger wants to corral her with big $$.

Ok the acid test here is this - do you have any pics of all these hot 19 year olds you consistently get for 1000 a night? Because if you don't it's all subjective as I've lost count of the times I've been introduced to a guy's 'pretty' new ying and wondered what the hell he's thinking.

BillyBob, I have read Rocky say on here numerous times that overpaying is just seen as a sign of weakness to Thais, I agree with him and it looks like that's what your girl saw in you

[Michaelkaran]

Discuss price before hand ? Personally for me it puts me off as it feels like a 'in the face' commercial agreement .So I stick to a Go Go LT - 2000/ ST 1000, BG LT-1000/ST-500 .

Never been a ST fan as hate taking the next bird to a bed with crumpled sheets .

+ depending on her service..Bad - No tip ,Mediocre- 100 Baht,Good - 200 Baht

& Great- 200 Baht + advance bar fine for the evening , so that I can get back to her if I do not get another one that evening

We have enough newbies & Japs ( 555 - 5" for 5 min & pay 5K ) to over pay.

[billybob69]

BillyBob, I have read Rocky say on here numerous times that overpaying is just seen as a sign of weakness to Thais, I agree with him and it looks like that's what your girl saw in you

Yep!
She saw me coming!

Its never personal. Its always just business.
I know that now!

[2muchthai]

Ok the acid test here is this - do you have any pics of all these hot 19 year olds you consistently get for 1000 a night? Because if you don't it's all subjective as I've lost count of the times I've been introduced to a guy's 'pretty' new ying and wondered what the hell he's thinking.

BillyBob, I have read Rocky say on here numerous times that overpaying is just seen as a sign of weakness to Thais, I agree with him and it looks like that's what your girl saw in you

HKA

Pictures,you ask? Not a one and NEVER will for a number of reasons! And if I did have them I wouldn't consider posting them on this forum or any other out of respect for the girl.

As for appearance,I couldn't care less if EVERYONE that sees her thinks that she is fat & ugly as homemade sin,as long as she pleases me(ever see the movie Shallow Hal w/Jack Black),though I sincerely doubt that most would.

BillyBob

I'm going to have to go along with HKA & Rocky on the over paying situation. I don't believe that this one would be bothering & bs'ing you via email if you had simply f___ed her real well and treated her like a lady. Something that the younger,less-seasoned ones all seem to appreciate & enjoy!

And to everyone

Where price is concerned,I don't ever remember the girl bringing up price in Thailand. Sometimes I mention it before we leave,sometimes not but I've never had them complain or even look dissatisfied in the morning.

When I was the most impressed ever with a response to price was,as I posted a few weeks ago,I was in line at a bank around soi 2 in Jomtien. Met an interestingly built slim,light-skinned 19 year old with very large breasts. Had the use of a friends room and asked her after a little conversation if she would like to go closeby with me for a few hours(it was around noon). She said ok,had to be at work by 3:00pm. I Asked if 500 baht would be ok and her reply was "you pay me what you want ok"

Now some people would consider that a roll of the dice on her part,but it caught me off guard and was impressive! I gave her 700 as she was sweet,pretty and provided good service on short notice. Never went to her Jomtien bar or even saw it but did have her come to my hotel a few more times and tipped 200 baht each time(long times). She seemed completely satisfied and if she starts work at 3:00,probably pulls off a number of short time gigs throughout the day and does quite well. And my guess,unlike Billybob's girl,this one doesn't even know how to use a computer.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Even though they are selling ass for a living,there are some quite innocent young girls that can be a lot of fun in Pattaya...and girls like the one BB mentioned do not fall into that category. Personally,regardless of looks,they are quite a turnoff to me.

[rits01]

It sounds like you misheard how much she wanted so I think that could explain more the problem, because if you'd known she wanted 5 you'd have avoided the problem by not going with her in the first place, if you'd never asked and then given her 2 in the morning and she wanted 5 that could have been more of a problem (although it sounds like she was a big enough problem anyway )

Very good points - indeed, some situations (like BFning a BKK GG icequeen) do call for negotiating the price beforehand - it's just that I'm not into such girls on the first place.

Back to the specific girl in question - what would have happened if the money issue wasn't mentioned in the first place - I'm certain she would have been OK with the 2k I planned to pay her. After all, it IS the going rate, it IS what she usually gets (at least from guys like me - sometimes even less).

[Jimmy Red Cab]

Ok the acid test here is this - do you have any pics of all these hot 19 year olds you consistently get for 1000 a night? Because if you don't it's all subjective as I've lost count of the times I've been introduced to a guy's 'pretty' new ying and wondered what the hell he's thinking.

For once I have to agree with you, we read lot's of cheap prices on here but rarely see pictures for us to judge for ourself.

[2muchthai]

For once I have to agree with you, we read lot's of cheap prices on here but rarely see pictures for us to judge for ourself.

Anybody can post pictures and then make up prices. Maybe you ought to go out and experiment with with what's out there to be had and what kind of $$ you can get it for. Then you'll know.

Or maybe it's just easier for you to go to gogo joints and pay the big bucks to leave with a doll(on the outside not necessarily inside). Not the case for me as I'm not on an unlimited budget. BUT,it dosen't cost any extra to show common courtesy and believe it or not I've found that can go a long way,too.

Again,my posts aren't to impress a bunch of guys that I'll never meet,but to help people that are new to the game or stumbling through it,as well as to add an occasional interesting & unique experience.

[Jimmy Red Cab]

Anybody can post pictures and then make up prices. Maybe you ought to go out and experiment with with what's out there to be had and what kind of $$ you can get it for. Then you'll know.

This is my 16th visit to Bangkok in 6 years so I do have a little bit of an idea of what is available at what price.

My message to newbies is not to believe everything you read on here, such as when guys tell us that ST in Bangkok is up to 3 hours with multiple pops, that has not been my experience and nor has it been the experience of the dozens of guys I get talking to.
Most times ST means up to an hour, when you cum she will expect to get dressed and be on her way, yes she may love your company and insist on a second pop but it is certainly NOT the norm.