Should posts asking for or promoting Ladyboys/transsexuals be banned from the forum?

[TheBanker]

Question: Should the forum rules be changed to NOT allow discussions about transsexuals?

Background: When I originally started the forum, I had the philosophy to allow members to post freely including on any topic including lady boys, transsexuals, etc

However I now question that decision. Originally there were just the occasional questions/comments/reports. But lately there has been an increasing volume of such posts.

While I would not judge another person for their preferences, my concern is that the volume of T/S info could continue to increase to such a level that it changes the characteristics of this forum.

Some might suggest, those posts could just be restricted to certain sections of the forum. However I have no interest in moderating a forum for T/S info so that would not be an option.

So my plan is to ban all information, sightings, requests for information, reports, etc for all transsexual, ladyboy posts. All existing posts would be removed. Members who continued to post on that topic would be banned.

The only thing that would still be allowed would be when transsexuals are mentioned in terms of general conversation such as "my buddy was so drunk that he almost went with a ladyboy". (The key difference being the intent of the post is not to give or request T/S info.)

Comments?

[spazmid]

This is very interesting. I personally am for freedom in forums, and everywhere else. I do think that we should try harder to stay on topic, but lots of threads would die a premature death if we hold strictly to that rule.

Now, I'm not saying that the Banker is buckling under the weight of a few homophobes who don't want to discuss alternative lifestyles... not at all. Not-At-All. Really. I know that whatever decision he comes to will be well-considered.

Then it will be up to the individual if he want's more or less freedom in his discussions, and he can consider his or her alternatives if he doesn't like what comes out in the wash.

I'm am saying that sometimes you can control something right into the ground. But I am 100% sure that the Banker knows that, better than most.

How about this; If the thread starter is not transsexual in topic or content, then don't twist the thread that way. The thread starter sets the topic, as the system was designed. If a new member veers, correct him gently.

If you are dying to talk about lady-boys, whether your idea of such is pretty little missies that are hotter than most girls, or if they are ugly mustachioed men dressed up in women's clothing, then start a thread, and kindred spirits can confine their perversions to that thread, which will peter out for lack of interest. Or not.

Actually, I think that the idea of Mike Ditka and Dick Butkus smoking cigars in tutus is disgusting, let's ban that.

Again, I think that primarily transsexual discussions should be kept on primarily transsexual threads, so those who don't want to discuss transsexuals, for whatever reason, don't have to. That should be their right. For those who like to discuss transsexuals, same thing.

I see no harm in discussing transsexuals. I see no way to avoid it, because anyone who has been to Angeles City, Rio, Sao Paulo, Bangkok and Pattaya, Nuevo Laredo and every other Mexican border town, plus innumerable other mongering locations, know that lady-boys are an integral part of the scene.

In some cities, about every tenth girl is a bender... but then, who knows how deep it goes. Sometimes they have their own bars, sometimes they are interspersed within the crew of a primarily straight bar.

I've been to many of these famous mongering locations more than once, and have crossed the bridges into Mexico hundreds of times, on my way to dens of iniquity. I like to sleep and gamble all day, and drink and fuck all night. Just like you.

I almost always take a little time to go into a she-male bar, and drink and talk with some chicks with dicks. It's great fun. They are quite friendly and amusing, and have some wild tales to tell. They're a lot smarter than my Navy buddies, or my trucking buddies from past years.

Who's the best drinking companion, a glittering toastmistress who regales you with tales of legerdemain, horror, and tit-illation, or some blundering oaf who always gets shitfaced, and you end up babysitting someone with vomit on his shirt.

I have lied on this forum several times about having sex with baklas, katoeys, or travestis. Truth is, I have never knowingly fucked a man, (which is what a trans is, ya know), in the mouth or the butt or any other orifice. I may have unknowingly done it, because I am a great one for blow jobs... if a fuck is in the works, I always check for the goods.

Dudes, supply always meets demand. The fact that there are so many representatives of the third sex in our mongering paradises, says only one thing... that some of you are fucking them. LOTS of you are fucking them.

Are there more of them, or less, than ten years ago? I rest my case, gentlemen.

BTW, my preference is for barely-legal little brown women. But I always say, any port in a storm.

I can tell you this for sure... many of you have had your dick in a transsexual's mouth, or their ass... whether you think so or not. Some are so convincing you would never know, no matter how savvy you think you are. A little alcohol, a little sleight of balls, voila! Now you're a faggot!

Just kidding.

[joecoolfrog]

I would probably have sugested a compromise, but as the banker has already indicated that this is not an option,feel we should back his wishes and vote for a ban.

[spazmid]

The man asked for comments. I gave mine.

Again, I think that if everyone generally sticks to the topic of the thread starter, then threads that aren't your cup of tea will be invisible to you, unless you seek them out.

I don't live here. I just drop in for a visit and leave my turds on the floor, like everyone else. Whatever the decision of the Banker, it's okay with me.

I've talked to transies who have psyched themselves into denying to themselves that they have a dick between their legs.

We can go into denial, too.

We can ignore the fact that benders exist in our little willow world of sexual indiscretions. But that doesn't change anything.

If nobody masturbates, then why is there cum all over the floor?

If you don't like a subject, yet can't bring yourself to stay out of that classroom, that's on you. Don't whine or complain. It's like TV... if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

Censorship is never good... it always starts out small, sets a precedent, and then snowballs. Usually it's the vocal minority that gets their way. I call them crybabies and prudes.

[godofaccu]

My two centavos:

If you don't like a subject, yet can't bring yourself to stay out of that classroom, that's on you. Don't whine or complain. It's like TV... if you don't like the show, don't watch it.

I think that's a key point right there. WE don't have to read it if we don't like it, but the Banker, as he said "(has) no interest in moderating a forum for T/S info."

I'm all about freedom of speech, but heck, as you guys said, it ain't OUR house. None of us are paying membership fees (I think), and if the man who DOES have to read everything doesn't want to, then heck, end of story. We got to respect it.

Now some other things I am curious about: people who ARE into ladyboys/katoeys/transvestites, are they usually exclusively so? If that is the case, then I would imagine they wouldn't really fit in on this board anyway. If a specialized board for that stuff doesn't exist, and one of you enterprising TS lovers out there has a mind for business, HECK, there you go, a golden opportunity.

I do like the idea of such talk not being banned outright though "my buddy was drunk...etc." as such information is handy so at least we know what to AVOID. As places that usually cater to that thing don't openly advertise what they offer (not in TJ at least) letting newbies on this board know what places to avoid can be handy as hell.

Another thing, how would it be instituted? Avoiding topics like underage sex is kind of a given since it's REALLY illegal: people already know they shouldn't be talking about it. Would there be some sort of disclaimer when people are signing up saying that we don't talk about that sort of thing on this board?
Would there be a mass private messaging to every member saying to avoid such talk? I thnk you would pretty much HAVE to do it that way, should you institute it.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now.

[microcat]

(...) I'm all about freedom of speech, but heck, as you guys said, it ain't OUR house. None of us are paying membership fees (I think), and if the man who DOES have to read everything doesn't want to, then heck, end of story. We got to respect it.

(...) I do like the idea of such talk not being banned outright though "my buddy was drunk...etc." as such information is handy so at least we know what to AVOID. As places that usually cater to that thing don't openly advertise what they offer (not in TJ at least) letting newbies on this board know what places to avoid can be handy as hell.

I agree with The Banker. If some guy digs the whole TV/TS/LB scene (although God only knows why any guy would), that's all fine and dandy like cotton candy. But as an ardent enthusiast of vaginas and the natural-born women they're attached to, I would be very pleased to see a curbing, if not an all-out ban on TV/TS/LB posts. As for your rant, Godofaccu - well said, ol' chap!

[Jimmy Red Cab]

I would probably have sugested a compromise, but as the banker has already indicated that this is not an option,feel we should back his wishes and vote for a ban.

Joe, at the end of the day, The Banker is the boss and he will do what he thinks is right ---- however I am very much against censorship unless the topic involves anything illegal, under age sex etc. There is nothing illegal about showing an interest in Katoeys and they are a big part of the scene in Bangkok. In an age where same sex marriages are accepted it seems rather strange that a site specialising in the paid sex scene would want to ban posts on Katoeys ???
Anyway joe, I have to disagree with you on this one, I would say let the posts continue.

[joecoolfrog]

Joe, at the end of the day, The Banker is the boss and he will do what he thinks is right ---- however I am very much against censorship unless the topic involves anything illegal, under age sex etc. There is nothing illegal about showing an interest in Katoeys and they are a big part of the scene in Bangkok. In an age where same sex marriages are accepted it seems rather strange that a site specialising in the paid sex scene would want to ban posts on Katoeys ???
Anyway joe, I have to disagree with you on this one, I would say let the posts continue.

Actually Jimmy I find some of the Katoey posts really funny,they dont bother me in the least,if the majority of members and the banker are happy then so am I.

[Xelasin]

I voted I don't care.

I can find arguments for both sides. It is not annoying to me but that's not what I am here for. There must be sites/forums specialized in TS.... or they can use gay sites. TS have always identified themselves to gays anyway (cause that's what they are). And it is clear The Banker doensn't like to moderate such threads. This is a straight forum afterall...

This is your forum Sir Banker.
(but thanks for asking ! )

[Jimmy Red Cab]

I voted I don't care.

There must be sites/forums specialized in TS.... or they can use gay sites. TS have always identified themselves to gays anyway (cause that's what they are).

Would that mean that someone who tried the services of a Katoey would then be classed as gay --I don't think gay men are interested in Katoeys.

[spazmid]

I also agree with Jimmy Red Cab. I'm sure there are many, if not infinite, variations on the theme, but it's my general understanding that people who identify themselves primarily or totally as gay men, have little or no interest in transsexuals, although they co-exist with them in the same community.

Apparently, the femininity factor turns them off because they are attracted to masculinity. Some carry it to the extreme, and only want to associate in that way with big, hairy, muscular, bear-like men, with large, hard, uncut penises, and low-hanging balls as big as hen's eggs.

No, I'm not talking about Xelasin, if someone had that idea.

This same femininity factor is the reason that a lot of essentially straight men have some degree of interest in lady-boys. Of course, despite one opinion I read to the contrary, I guess most of them must have at least a little bit of interest in a dick, too.

Also, it occurs to me that we have this habit of trying to pigeonhole people according to sexual preference, musical interests, job classification, educational level, IQ, on and on.

We are so intent on sorting, defining, and labeling things so we can understand them, we forget about the generalist... which all of us are, to varying degrees, but some folks are extra-versatile.

There are actually people walking the earth who have many skills, who like selections from all sorts of culture, who are chameleons according to necessity, and who will have sex with anyone who is handy and strikes their fancy. You know... like the Jackal. And maybe Xelasin, unless I've misinterpreted him.

[Xelasin]

Would that mean that someone who tried the services of a Katoey would then be classed as gay --I don't think gay men are interested in Katoeys.

Let's not start that debate here !
There is already a thread about that. I agree; gays are not interested in transexuals for sex. But has Spazmid says "they co-exist with them in the same community". So yes, TS is a topic they talk about on gay forums/chat.

But since it's straight (bi?) men that are interested in TS,
makes sense to me we talk about it here. Why not ?

But if the webmaster decides that main topic of the forum is sex with women, that is not censorship. It's just the subject of the forum.

Strange you complaint about free speech on a sex forum... when you probably do nothing to protect freedom of speech from REAL danger aka the White House ! How many of you complained to the US governement about the Patriot act or other similar bullshit ?

This can be World Sex Guide for hetero/gay/bi OR
WSG just for heterosexuals having sex with women.
That is the question. Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
It's just about choosing forum's main topic.

As I said before; try starting threads about cooking or books on a football forum. They will say you are off topic and ban you. It's not censorship.

I don't care about TS threads but if webmaster decides this forum is only about men having sex with women, I won't be offended...

Now you see dangers of democraty Sir Banker.
I'm afraid you will have to keep moderating TS threads...

[johnnyp]

unless the topic involves anything illegal

I think prostitution is illegal in most countries.

(but I know what you meant)

[joecoolfrog]

I agree with your comments on censorship,as you point out nobody is forced to read or participate in threads they do not agree with.What concerns me is that the banker has indicated that he does not want to moderate a forum involving transexual info,what then are the likely consequencies if such threads continue to grow?

[chyam71]

Question: Should the forum rules be changed to NOT allow discussions about transsexuals?

Background: When I originally started the forum, I had the philosophy to allow members to post freely including on any topic including lady boys, transsexuals, etc

However I now question that decision. Originally there were just the occasional questions/comments/reports. But lately there has been an increasing volume of such posts.

While I would not judge another person for their preferences, my concern is that the volume of T/S info could continue to increase to such a level that it changes the characteristics of this forum.

Some might suggest, those posts could just be restricted to certain sections of the forum. However I have no interest in moderating a forum for T/S info so that would not be an option.

So my plan is to ban all information, sightings, requests for information, reports, etc for all transsexual, ladyboy posts. All existing posts would be removed. Members who continued to post on that topic would be banned.

The only thing that would still be allowed would be when transsexuals are mentioned in terms of general conversation such as "my buddy was so drunk that he almost went with a ladyboy". (The key difference being the intent of the post is not to give or request T/S info.)

Comments?

Dear Banker,

This forum will not be infested with TS's posting. I am very confident that, majority of us here, still prefer the original... Increasing in volume is only temporary... of course... this is also partly contributed by the flame associated with the topics, which makes the count. I believe, if we count the 'real TS' posting, it is negligible and we should be able to live with that. It is the flaming and name calling that are causing the trouble.

Current reporting system (of bad posting) is good enough and all members should be aware of this. The only problem is... no one bothers to use the prescribed channel to complain but instead, started to shout at each other, thus causing troubles! (I may be wrong here!)

There is no requirement to seggragate this into a special section. By doing so, we are effectively highlighting TS and introduce it to be the main topic of discussion!

Also, partial banning of TS issues is not solution either, we would ended up with members fighting on what is right or wrong! Thus giving you unnecessary additional moderating work!.

You either banned it or leave it alone, (and die of natural death!).

So, since TS is real, why not leave it alone. From the voting we have it here... 2 out of 3 options is for TS!! (as there is only ONE option asking to ban it!). This is only my interpretation.

Finally, suggest that we let it be! (and ignore it!)


Ok, an interesting topics here..

A man have only anal sex with a woman. Normal?
A man have only anal sex with another man. Normal?
A man/woman have sex with a TS. Normal?

Wow, me just happy with the originals and don't bother with the above...

Cheers!